In this week’s episode of Ongoing Mastery: Presenting & Speaking, Kirsten talks with Kristen Nielsen Donnelly about the connection between nervousness and a speaker’s responsibility to their audience. Hear how the idea of a sandbox helps Kristen be more flexible onstage.

Our favorite moments:

• (02:45) If you’re not nervous before public speaking, you don’t recognize your responsibility in the moment
• (03:19) The audience’s attention is a non-renewable resource
• (07:13) Conversations about profit are different from conversations about revenue and earning a living
• (08:00) Appropriate revenue to live on is limited by your own ethic
• (09:52) Speaking is about connecting with people’s humanity
• (12:04) For Kristen, the idea of calling invokes more an idea of service, less of performance
• (15:24) Kirsten respects showmanship, but has to know what’s underneath  
• (19:49) Strict pedagogy needs to marry showmanship
• (21:41) You can improvise all you want to inside your sandbox
• (23:34) The nerves should stay, but the post-analysis does have to be as painful as it might be for you now

If you enjoyed this conversation about the entrepreneurial journey, check out Season 1, Episode 5, our conversation managing your energy while speaking onstage. The link is in the show notes.

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Read a transcript of this episode:  https://share.descript.com/view/DgNFjBq2Do0

For the video version of this episode: https://youtu.be/26WidZf4pFY

• S1 Ep5 | Ongoing Mastery: Presenting & Speaking – How Do Speakers Manage Their Energy?
• National Speakers Association
• Tony Robbins – The Official Website of Tony Robbins
• Joel Osteen
• Hugh Jackman’s tour: The Man. The Music. The Show.
• “The Music Man” Tickets 2023/2024 | Hugh Jackman
• Corporate Training For Employee Engagement And Retention – Abbey Research
• The Culture of Burnout – Abbey Research
• Kirsten’s TEDx talk, “The Art of Communicating Effectively for Hybrid and Online Work”
• Dean Hankey, The DEAN of Success! – VIP, ‘Care-Is-Magic’ Marketing Magician & People Pro!
• Home | Innovation Women

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Kirsten Rourke CEO of Rourke Training

Kirsten Rourke is the mouth and mind of Rourke Training, LLC. She is on a mission to create engaging communication in online and in-person presentation and speaking spaces. Kirsten is the creator of the Prep, Practice, & Pivot method for elevating presenting and speaking skills. She works with leaders to transform online educational, sales, and corporate events to meet business and learning goals. She has spoken, coached, trained, and facilitated for thousands of companies internationally since 2000. She speaks on and provides expert coaching on Public Speaking, Running Virtual Events, Instructional Design, Storytelling, and Creating Online Engagement. In addition to being a Certified Technical Trainer and Certified Online Training Professional, she also has a Master’s of Education in Instructional Design. She also runs a podcast and community, Ongoing Mastery: Presenting and Speaking, to support development and improvement in creating successful, targeted results in pitches, sales presentations, training, and high-stake events.