Make Seduction Great Again – MTP405

Make Seduction Great Again - MTP405 Scot McKay 45:03

Co-Host Clifford Lee (https://mountaintoppodcast.com/cliffslist) My guest is the most legendary curator of men’s dating advice content, and certainly the OG impresario for men’s PUA conferences. I’m talking about my returning guest Clifford Lee of Cliffslist fame, of course, who was certainly instrumental in the launch of my own career as a dating coach. Perhaps amazingly, even in the year 2024–a time when anyone under age 38 probably has no idea who Neil Strauss is–Cliff remains one of the top organizers of pickup and seduction content for men. To the shock of some, Cliff has never deviated from his commitment to publish the ideas and teachings of various different ‘dating gurus’, often resulting in a wide-ranging or even conflicting points of view. That makes him the perfect co-host for this particularly interesting discussion on what happened to the so-called ‘Seduction Community’, aka the ‘Underground Society of Pickup Artists’. For the past decade or so, it’s as if the idea of seduction itself has fallen out of style. So, is it that none of those ideas and tactics ever worked at all, or is seduction’s somewhat tarnished Image worth restoring? We kick things off by talking about the sense of community between men BITD compared to the decidedly negative victimhood vibe nowadays. What should men who are genuinely interested in getting better with women to do? And to that end, where does Cliff draw the line insofar as ethics and integrity relative to what tactics work to attract women and get guys ‘laid’? Clearly, the shady stuff drew shady people…which led to the bad rap. Well, the plain truth is women LOVE to be seduced, so we as good, decent men have got to do SOMETHING. Get show notes, cool free stuff and more at https://mountaintoppodcast.com

=== HELP US SEND THE MESSAGE TO GREAT MEN EVERYWHERE ===

The content in this show is NEVER generated by AI. I discovered it can’t handle a joke a long time ago. Meanwhile, I’ll keep the practical, actionable ideas coming as well as the entertaining part…all for free. If you love what you hear, please rate the show on the service you subscribed to it on (takes one second) and leave a review. As we say here in Texas, I appreciate you!

Scot McKay Dating Strategist

Scot McKay has shared bad jokes with North Korean military officers, sipped coffee at Pablo Escobar’s home (served by his maid), survived a shark attack while surfing, held his breath as the pride of lions walked by his tent, and blitzed through California canyons with his knee on the double-yellow line at 140 mph. Yet somehow, he has also been referred to as the “sane one” on Twitter by Scott Adams, of all people.

But despite once being mobbed by the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders, being able to back a 30′ travel trailer into its slot on the first try, and that time he beat the World Champion at his own sport (no details provided), he’s still the most objective and down-to-earth dating expert out there.

He’s also the most fluff-free fountainhead of original content in his field, if only because that’s what seventeen years of immersive geekery on the subject does for someone.

Scot’s wife Emily is his “proof of concept”, given that she’s just as sweet as she is smokin’ hot and still gets carded at her age. But you’ll never hear her brag about any of that, only Scot.

His show The Mountain Top has also been named a Top 10 Dating Podcast by DatingAdvice.com, and a long time ago Grader.com weirdly ranked Scot the #1 most influential Facebook user in the world.