“Does that sound like a robot or does that sound like AI? Does that sound synthetic? Does that sound human? When we think about it, we can’t tell. But when we rely more on those primal, very basic human responses, we can tell. And what’s fascinating to me is even after we told people which voice was which, they still couldn’t tell the difference between two voices. Um, but again, on a subconscious basis, they could. And so it’s just a fascinating piece of research that, uh, is definitely time-boxed, right? I think these voice generators will get better in quality.” – Joe Sauer
This episode’s guest is a man who proves you don’t need to be a rock star to master sonic branding. How does a self-described guy with no musical talent become an expert on all things audio? The answer, he says, is data, data, and more data. He’s devoted his career to understanding the impact of emotion on consumer decision-making, and, for the last decade or so, he’s focused specifically on optimizing the impact of sound and music in branding, advertising, and UX design. His award-winning neuro-based research approach has become the gold standard for audio measurement, partnering with top sound studios globally to ensure that brands don’t just sound good but actually resonate with their audiences. His name is Joe Sauer, and in this episode’s discussion, we’ll be entering the world of beats, brands, and brainwaves to understand some of the hard science behind audio branding.
As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts.
(0:00:00) – Impact of Music on Emotional Response
Our conversation starts with Joe’s early memories of sound, which include learning all about the power of music as a nervous teen on the dance floor. “That very visceral Anxiety and fear of embarrassment and then relief that floods in,” he recalls, “when you find yourself with a partner on the dance floor. It was all triggered by music, not even a full song, just the first couple of bars of music.” We talk about neuromarketing techniques and the role they play in everything from movie trailers to music albums, and how they’ve changed since the early days of brain scans and electrodes. “The techniques that we’ve evolved are much less intimidating,” he explains. “They’re actually very, very sophisticated psychology experiments but they’re gamified. They’re hidden in a word or an image sorting game.”
(0:15:21) – The Impact of Sonic Logos
We talk more about how neuro-based research is offering new insights into audio branding, and what Joe’s studies on the impact of sound have uncovered. “One of the great parts about using techniques like this,” he says, “is that it puts the focus on the consumer’s attitudes and perceptions of the brand as opposed to their attitudes and perceptions of the music itself.” The discussion turns to how our conscious biases can get in the way of polling and survey results, and the role our subconscious impressions play in shaping our impressions. “You really start to understand what impact the audio is having,” he tells us, “not just on the quality of the narrative, the storytelling aspects of the ad itself, but really, more importantly for the people who are paying for the ad, on the likelihood that that brand is actually going to be purchased the next time the respondent or consumer is in market.”
(0:23:37) – AI Voice Generation and Human Connection
The first half of our conversation wraps up with a look at AI and synthetic voices, and what his studies revealed about the impact they have on listeners. “When we started to isolate and quantify the subconscious response,” he explains, “the accuracy shot way up and most respondents were able to accurately identify whether a voice they heard was synthetic or human. On a subconscious basis, there was just something that we’re not even aware is happening.” He tells us more about how participants could recognize artificial voices, even when they thought they couldn’t, through their subconscious impressions and behavior. “What’s fascinating to me is that,” he says, “even after we told people which voice was which, they still couldn’t tell the difference between two voices. But, again, on a subconscious basis, they could, and so it’s just a fascinating piece of research.”
Episode Summary
Tune in for next week’s episode as we discuss the Growth market of sonic branding, Joe’s work with developing audio brands for such clients as AT&T and NPR, and what the pandemic revealed about sound’s impact on our mood and buying habits, both for better and for worse.
Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast:
Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com
Connect with me on Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/
Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube – https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO
Connect with me on LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/
Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!)
Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest!
https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/
Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy
https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/
Editing/Production by Humberto Franco – https://humbertofranco.com/
This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis:
OP3 – https://op3.dev/privacy
Notifications
