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Sacred Law vs. Human Law: Understanding Child Loss, Consciousness & Life After Death

  1. Sacred Law vs. Human Law: Understanding Child Loss, Consciousness & Life After Death Dave Roberts 1:04:34

What happens when a child’s life ends too soon — and what can it teach us about Love, consciousness, and what lies beyond death?

In this deeply moving episode of the Teaching Journeys Podcast, host Dave Roberts welcomes Katy Gilbertson, founder of Hauora Wellness, for a raw and spiritually rich conversation about child loss, Grief, and the survival of consciousness after death.

Both Dave and Katy have lived through a parent’s worst nightmare — Dave lost his daughter Jeannine to Cancer at 18, and Katy lost her son Jaxon to leukemia just before his 10th birthday. Together, they explore the sacred and the human dimensions of these profound losses.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

• The concept of sacred law vs. human law — and why a short life can still be a complete one

• How Jaxon and Jeannine demonstrated advanced empathy and spiritual awareness beyond their years

• Real accounts of shared-death experiences and signs from the other side

• How consciousness survives physical death — and how to stay connected to loved ones who’ve transitioned

• The waves of grief that resurface at unexpected milestones, and how to navigate them

• How Katy transformed her experience into Hauora Wellness, guiding high-achieving women beyond Burnout into embodied leadership

• Why “once you learn how to die, you learn how to live”

• This episode is for anyone navigating grief, curious about life after death, or seeking meaning after profound loss.

Katy Gilbertson’s Bio and Contact Information

Katy is the founder of Hauora Wellness, an expert in holistic wellness, embodied leadership, and human potential, guiding high-level women to expand their capacity and step into their next level of life, leadership, and business in a sustainable and deeply aligned way.

Her work sits at the intersection of holistic Health, nervous system regulation, human potential, identity transformation, energy work, and personal mastery. Blending a holistic and functional medicine lens with embodiment, leadership development, and transformational Coaching, Katy guides women to reconnect with the deeper intelligence of their body, energy, and purpose so they can lead from alignment rather than exhaustion.

At the heart of her philosophy is Hauora, the interconnected relationship between physical, emotional, spiritual, social, and environmental wellbeing. Her work is deeply shaped by lived experience. After navigating her own health challenges, chronic Stress, periods of losing herself, and the profound journey of supporting her son through cancer and loss while continuing to lead in life and business, Katy’s understanding of resilience, regulation, grief, leadership, and human potential transformed entirely.

These experiences became the foundation for the work she now shares through transformational immersions, private mentorship, embodied leadership experiences, and teachings devoted to sustainable expansion and self-mastery.

Today, Katy supports high-level women, entrepreneurs, and leaders who know they are here for more, helping them move beyond overthinking, dysregulation, and survival-mode patterns so they can access deeper levels of vitality, Clarity, creativity, leadership, and fulfillment.

Through Hauora Wellness, Katy is building a movement devoted to embodied expansion, sustainable leadership, and helping women fully hold the mission they are here to lead.

Connect

Instagram: @hauorawellness

Facebook: @hauorawellness

Website: www.hauorawellness.com

Email: [email protected]

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Dave Roberts LMSW, Author, Podcaster

David J. Roberts, LMSW, became a parent who experienced the death of a child, when his daughter Jeannine died of cancer on 3/1/03 at the age of 18. He is a retired addiction professional and an adjunct professor in the psychology child life department at Utica University in Utica, New York. Dave also teaches psychology classes at Pratt MWP School of Art and Design. He is the host of The Teaching Journeys Podcast, which can be found on Apple, Spotify and other podcast platforms.

Dave has presented workshops at national conferences of The Compassionate Friends as well as for the Bereaved Parents of the USA. He was also a keynote speaker at the 2011 and 2015 national gatherings of the Bereaved Parents of the USA. Dave also co-presented a workshop titled “Helping Faculty After Traumatic Loss” for the Parkland, Florida community in May of 2018, in the aftermath of the mass shootings at Stoneman Douglas High School.

Roberts has been a past HuffPost contributor and has contributed articles to Medium, Open to Hope Foundation, Mindfulness and Grief, Thrive Global, and the Recovering the Self Journal. He has also appeared on numerous podcasts, as well as Open to Hope Television. In 2021,he co-authored and published a book with Reverend Patty Furino titled, When The Psychology Professor Met The Minister.