1. How to Make New Friends in Retirement – Dr. Marisa G. Franco Retirement Wisdom 27:13

A lot changes when you retire, including your social connectivity. Dr. Marisa G. Franco, author of Platonic: How the Science of Attachment Can Help You Make–and Keep—Friends, has research-based advice on making new friends as an adult, and creating new connections.


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Dr. Marisa G. Franco is the New York Times bestselling author of Platonic: How the Science of Attachment Can Help You Make–and Keep—Friends;  and she is a professor, speaker, and psychologist. Her research focuses on the powerful role of our communities in shaping who we are and why we flourish.

Marisa uses her expertise to advise clients and companies on how to nurture deeper connections. She believes that connections underlie everything—our health, our motivation, our work, and our sense of who we are.

Dr. Franco holds a Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology from the University of Maryland and works as a professor there. She writes for Psychology Today and she has been a featured psychologist in The New York Times, NPR, and Good Morning America.


For More on Dr. Marisa G. Franco 

Platonic: How the Science of Attachment Can Help You Make–and Keep—Friends



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Wise Quotes

On Making Friends as an Adult

“So making friends is about having a certain type of setting or environment. Rebecca G. Adams, she’s a sociologist, describes it as having repeated unplanned interaction and shared vulnerability. So that’s school, right? You see someone every day, you have recess, you have gym, you have lunch, right? For some people that’s work, for other people not, because sometimes people go to work and they’re not quite vulnerable, which is why one study found that the more time we spend together at work, the less close we feel. And I think, in general, as we move forward to adulthood, we just don’t inhabit those same types of settings that really foster connection. So if we rely on this concept of making friends that we had when we were kids, we’re just going to be like, it should just happen, right? And then we don’t. We’re not realizing we’re not in that setting anymore. So it’s not going to just happen for you. And in fact, there is a study on older adults that found that people who thought friendship happened based on luck were lonely five years later, whereas those that saw it as happening based on effort were less lonely five years later because they made that effort.”

On Vulnerability & Initiating

“So, in the book I describe vulnerability as sharing something that’s authentic to you that feels risky or feels exposing or feels like someone could like shame or reject you for. So initiating is certainly one of those things, right? That tends to feel very vulnerable for people. But in general, we find in the research, and this is something of a thread that I’m going to pull out, is our brain’s negativity bias. When we predict the impact of our behaviors, our predictions are inaccurate and they’re often more cynical than the truth, right? So I talked about the liking gap as an example of that. But in the research on vulnerability, the example is research on something called the Beautiful Mess Effect. That when I picture someone doing something vulnerable, like talking about the flaws in their own body or confessing to someone that they love them, right? And I evaluate it, I see it more positively. But when I think of myself doing that same thing, I view it more negatively and I think people will view it more negatively. And so we have this bias when we think about ourselves, we’re like, People aren’t going to like this. They’re gonna think I’m weird. But when other people do the exact same thing, we’re like, Oh my gosh, that’s so great. They’re so authentic. They’re so genuine. They really trust me. Something that’s vulnerable that I struggle with is asking for support from other people. So what I’ve started to do is literally ask myself, What if this person asked for support from me? How would I read this? And then I try to use my answer to that question to evaluate the impact of how it’ll come up if I ask for support.”

On Defense Mechanisms

“When the self is involved, our self defensive mechanisms come into play and we don’t actually perceive the world accurately. So it takes us to take a step back and think of what if someone initiated with me? Wouldn’t I feel great that someone was really interested in getting to know me? Or if someone got vulnerable with me and I’d be like, Oh my gosh, I feel so close to them. I’m so honored that they were willing to share. And so we can sort of try to use that same process when we evaluate ourselves to get around the the defensive hijacking that our brain has when our brain is basically in survival mode –  protect the self at all costs. Not realizing that sometimes that can really harm our relationships and friendships.”


About Your Podcast Host 
Joe Casey is an executive coach who also helps people design their next life after their primary career. He created his own next chapter after a twenty-six-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking.
Today, in addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, which thanks to his guests and loyal listeners, ranks in the top 1.5 % globally in popularity by Listen Notes. Business Insider has recognized him as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference.

Intro and Outro voiceovers by Ross Huguet.

Joe Casey Retirement Coach, Podcaster

Joe Casey is an Executive Coach and Retirement Coach who brings extensive experience navigating transitions from his coaching work with clients and from his own life and career. After a 26-year career in Human Resources with Merrill Lynch, Joe shifted gears and retired early at age 52 to become an executive coach. His executive coaching practice has been named as one of the Top 10 Leadership Development Consulting Companies for 2019 by HR Tech Outlook magazine. He now also works to help people design their lives following their corporate careers, helping them pursue second act careers or to successfully navigate their transition to retirement.