Clear Eyed; Not Hopeless
This is the finale of the five part series Shell Shocked: Moral Injury and the Leaders Carrying It
With special guest Dr. Debra Borys, a clinical psychologist licensed in California with long-standing interest and concern for nature and the environment. She is co-founder and co-chair of the LA County Psychological Association Eco-Psychology Special Interest Group, an active member of the Climate Psychology Alliance of North America and a trained Climate Café leader. You can find Dr Borys here and you can get on her wait list here in order to gain access to the workshops she and Nikyta Palmisani created.
The hardest conversation of the series. And the most important one.
In this finale episode, Charlene Norman and Dr. Debra Borys go to the place most podcasts won’t. What does it mean to look honestly at where we are — the climate crisis, the collapse of institutional trust, the poly-crisis unravelling in real time — without flinching, without denial, and without false hope? And what does it mean to keep going anyway?
Three things you’ll take away:
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