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Pantsuit Politics is a podcast for real conversations that help us understand politics, democracy, and the news - while still treating each other like thoughtful human beings. We take a different approach to the news; our political analysis blends hard facts with important social and cultural undercurrents so you don’t miss the big picture. Over years of discussing everything from abortion to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, we established basic rules of engagement, which we describe in our books, Now What? How to Move Forward When We’re Divided (About Basically Everything) (2022) and I Think You’re Wrong (But I’m Listening): A Guide to Grace-Filled Political Conversation (2019). Listeners describe us as “America’s political therapists” and “our trusted, smarter friends who can help us make sense of the world.”

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Tulsi Gabbard, Jd Vance, And Faith In Politics &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Tulsi Gabbard, JD Vance, and Faith in Politics

From a $14.5 million paint job peeling off the bottom of the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool to a sitting vice president's conversion memoir, this episode is about the distance between what leaders p…

From a $14.5 million…

From a $14.5 million paint job peeling off the bottom of the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool to a sitting vice president's conversion memoir, this episode is about the distance between what leaders perform and what they actually deliver. Sarah and Beth dig into rushed, made-for-TV governance, Keir Starmer's resignation one day before Brexit's tenth anniversary, and the Washington Post's bombshell reporting on faith and power in American politics.Topics discussed:- The Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool's makeover gone wrong- Keir Starmer's resignation and Brexit at ten- What the center-left can…

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Which Of The Nine Political Types Are You? &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Which of the Nine Political Types Are You?

The President announced a "deal" with Iran on his birthday, between a UFC fight and a Crypto promotion — except it isn't a deal, it's a memorandum of understanding, which is a fancy way of saying no…

The President announ…

The President announced a "deal" with Iran on his birthday, between a UFC fight and a crypto promotion — except it isn't a deal, it's a memorandum of understanding, which is a fancy way of saying nobody agreed to much of anything yet. Sarah and Beth get into what's actually happening in Iran, then turn to a Pew Research framework that breaks the country into nine political types instead of two parties. Plus: the surprisingly useful rule about when it's worth staying up late.Topics discussed:- The Iran "deal" that's really a memorandum of understanding- Why JD Vance looks set up to take the f…

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Why America 250 Is Worth Celebrating &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Why America 250 Is Worth Celebrating

The country got an invitation to its own 250th birthday and hesitated — do we even feel like celebrating right now? Sarah and Beth make the case that the answer is yes, and not in spite of how hard …

The country got an i…

The country got an invitation to its own 250th birthday and hesitated — do we even feel like celebrating right now? Sarah and Beth make the case that the answer is yes, and not in spite of how hard things are but because of it. A milestone is a chance to take stock and tell the most honest version of the story we can, regardless of what the loudest and most cynical voices do. Topics discussed:- Why celebrating America's 250th feels awkward this year- The America250 commission vs. Trump's separate "Freedom 250" / White House rally- What the 1976 Bicentennial actually got right- The military's…

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Ai Goes Public: Should America Own A Piece? &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
AI Goes Public: Should America Own a Piece?

SpaceX's IPO begins trading today, with OpenAI and Anthropic close behind. The rules of going public seem to be changing by the day. We talk about why this IPO matters to all of us and the Bernie Sand…

SpaceX's IPO begins …

SpaceX's IPO begins trading today, with OpenAI and Anthropic close behind. The rules of going public seem to be changing by the day. We talk about why this IPO matters to all of us and the Bernie Sanders proposal for the public to take a stake in AI companies. Outside of politics, a halfway-through-2026 check-in on our words of the year (which we had fully forgotten, if that tells you anything!). Topics Discussed:- The SpaceX IPO and its red flags- What going public is supposed to mean — and what it means here- How index funds could put SpaceX in your Retirement account whether you choose it…

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Negotation, Networking, And The New Job Search &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Negotation, Networking, and the New Job Search

The headlines about this job market are frightening, and the advice often feels contradictory, particularly for young people. Sarah sits down with professor Kim Miller — who taught both of us at Tra…

The headlines about …

The headlines about this job market are frightening, and the advice often feels contradictory, particularly for young people. Sarah sits down with professor Kim Miller — who taught both of us at Transylvania — to talk honestly about what is actually happening and what you can do about it. We cover negotiation, the power of real Relationships, and how to make yourself ready for opportunities you can't yet see.Topics discussed:• Why the job market feels so chaotic right now: AI, economic uncertainty, mass layoffs, and even retirees re-entering the workforce• Negotiation as the skill nobo…

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Is Congress Finally Pushing Back On Trump? &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Is Congress Finally Pushing Back on Trump?

This week's primary results gave Democrats and independents a few reasons to pay attention — and behind closed doors, the Republican caucus is finally showing some friction. Beth and Sarah go deep o…

This week's primary …

This week's primary results gave Democrats and independents a few reasons to pay attention — and behind closed doors, the Republican caucus is finally showing some friction. Beth and Sarah go deep on Delaney Hall, a Newark ICE detention facility where protests are escalating, lawsuits are piling up, and conditions are becoming impossible to ignore. Outside of politics, what we're doing with our "time confetti." Topics discussed:• Primary results in California, New Jersey, New Mexico, Iowa, South Dakota, and Montana• Republican caucus friction: the anti-weaponization fund, Todd Blanche's …

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The Normie Problem: Can Democrats Win With Platner? &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
The Normie Problem: Can Democrats Win with Platner?

Graham Platner is running for Senate in Maine and trailing a string of controversies — a tattoo with Nazi-era symbolism, old Reddit posts, and now a Wall Street Journal exposé on explicit texts wit…

Graham Platner is ru…

Graham Platner is running for Senate in Maine and trailing a string of controversies — a tattoo with Nazi-era symbolism, old Reddit posts, and now a Wall Street Journal exposé on explicit texts with multiple women. Sarah and Beth use his candidacy as a lens on what we actually want from politicians: how normal is too normal, what "progressive vs. moderate" names and misses, and whether emotional maturity is a reasonable standard to hold. Plus: a new Instagram obsession and significant news about changes at Pantsuit Politics.Topics discussed:- Graham Platner and the Maine Senate race- Politi…

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Ken Paxton, Redistricting, And The Midterms Map &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Ken Paxton, Redistricting, and the Midterms Map

On today's Pantsuit Politics: Ken Paxton defeats John Cornyn by 28 points — the widest primary margin against a sitting senator in nearly 50 years — and we dig into what it means for the Senate ma…

On today's Pantsuit …

On today's Pantsuit Politics: Ken Paxton defeats John Cornyn by 28 points — the widest primary margin against a sitting senator in nearly 50 years — and we dig into what it means for the Senate map and the midterms. Plus a redistricting roundup from South Carolina, Alabama, and Florida. And Outside of Politics: summer movies, from Project Hail Mary to The Odyssey to The Mandalorian & Grogu (the popcorn was excellent). Ready to go deeper? Check out https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Shaky Ceasefires, Pope Leo’s Leadership, And The School Year’s Biggest Lessons &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Shaky Ceasefires, Pope Leo’s Leadership, and the School Year’s Biggest Lessons

Over the weekend, I started a “lessons learned” Google doc. I Love the stark, in-your-face, no-hedging Clarity that comes from a bullet point list: “Here are the words that distill years or mont…

Over the weekend, I …

Over the weekend, I started a “lessons learned” Google doc. I love the stark, in-your-face, no-hedging clarity that comes from a bullet point list: “Here are the words that distill years or months of experiences, Emotions, decisions, triumphs, and set-backs.”  That energy seems to be in the air as Memorial Day unofficially kicks off summer. Pope Leo has distilled his thoughts on the dignity of humans. The public at-large seems to be with him on the indecency and foolishness of war. Universities and schools are changing policies in light of lessons learned, and people running for offic…

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Consumption Is Eating Art &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Consumption Is Eating Art

Beth’s daughter, Ellen, asked why our books aren’t on the bestseller list, and honestly? Great question, Ellen. That one question opens up the whole can of worms today: how popular consensus gets …

Beth’s daughter, E…

Beth’s daughter, Ellen, asked why our books aren’t on the bestseller list, and honestly? Great question, Ellen. That one question opens up the whole can of worms today: how popular consensus gets manufactured — from the mysterious black box of the New York Times bestseller list to music catalogs being protected like the financial assets they literally are, to the Vulture piece that confirmed what I’ve suspected for a while now, which is that nothing on your social media feed is actually organic. We also wade into the Michael Jackson biopic, which I have real feelings about, and we end …

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Trump'S China Trip, The $1.7 Billion Slush Fund, And The Ai Backlash &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Trump's China Trip, the $1.7 Billion Slush Fund, and the AI Backlash

Trump's China trip barely makes a headline, a $1.7 billion taxpayer-funded slush fund raises alarms, and we check in on where we're really at with AI — as users, as parents, and as small business ow…

Trump's China trip b…

Trump's China trip barely makes a headline, a $1.7 billion taxpayer-funded slush fund raises alarms, and we check in on where we're really at with AI — as users, as parents, and as small business owners trying to keep up. Topics Discussed: Trump Goes to China The AI Backlash Outside of Politics: The Goldilocks Summer Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Get 50% Off Monarch, the all-in-one financial tool at www.monarch.com/pantsuit Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Jacqueline Coleman Is Running For Governor &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Jacqueline Coleman is Running for Governor

As Lt. Gov. Jacqueline Coleman launches her run for governor of Kentucky, we were honored to sit down with her and discuss her path to public service and hopes for the future of Kentucky. Ready to g…

As Lt. Gov. Jacqueli…

As Lt. Gov. Jacqueline Coleman launches her run for governor of Kentucky, we were honored to sit down with her and discuss her path to public service and hopes for the future of Kentucky. Ready to go deeper? Visit ⁠⁠our website⁠⁠ for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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