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Pantsuit Politics is a podcast for real conversations that help us understand politics, democracy, and the news - while still treating each other like thoughtful human beings. We take a different approach to the news; our political analysis blends hard facts with important social and cultural undercurrents so you don’t miss the big picture. Over years of discussing everything from abortion to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, we established basic rules of engagement, which we describe in our books, Now What? How to Move Forward When We’re Divided (About Basically Everything) (2022) and I Think You’re Wrong (But I’m Listening): A Guide to Grace-Filled Political Conversation (2019). Listeners describe us as “America’s political therapists” and “our trusted, smarter friends who can help us make sense of the world.”

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Graham Platner'S Collapse, The Progressive Movement, And Ai'S Accountability Gap &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Graham Platner's Collapse, the Progressive Movement, and AI's Accountability Gap

Beth is joined by guest host Alex McCoy, a progressive organizer focused on holding Big Tech accountable, for a conversation about what breaks trust and how to rebuild it. They start with what the col…

Beth is joined by gu…

Beth is joined by guest host Alex McCoy, a progressive organizer focused on holding Big Tech accountable, for a conversation about what breaks trust and how to rebuild it. They start with what the collapse of the Graham Platner campaign reveals about the progressive movement's relationship with imperfect candidates, then turn to the accountability vacuum around AI — who's making decisions about our jobs, our data, and our lives, and why almost nobody is calling their member of Congress about it. Topics discussed: Graham Platner's Senate campaign collapse and what it means for progressive …

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What Elected Officials Owe Us With Lauren Pinkston &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
What Elected Officials Owe Us with Lauren Pinkston

Beth sits down with Lauren Pinkston, an independent candidate for governor of Tennessee, on the same day Governor Beshear sent Senator Mitch McConnell a letter asking about his month-long hospitalizat…

Beth sits down with …

Beth sits down with Lauren Pinkston, an independent candidate for governor of Tennessee, on the same day Governor Beshear sent Senator Mitch McConnell a letter asking about his month-long hospitalization. They use that story, plus Graham Platner's exit from the Maine Senate race, to get at something bigger: what "honor" means in public life when authenticity and elitism both fall short. Then they turn to what that looks like in practice — data centers, classrooms, and a possible return of Family dinners to the governor's residence. Topics discussed: Transparency and elected officials' hea…

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What Food Can Teach Us About Power, Land, And Belonging &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
What Food Can Teach Us About Power, Land, and Belonging

Sarah's on summer break this week, so Beth sits down with chef, culinary historian, and seventh-grade history teacher Mica Chavez to trace how food actually built the world we live in — from the Col…

Sarah's on summer br…

Sarah's on summer break this week, so Beth sits down with chef, culinary historian, and seventh-grade history teacher Mica Chavez to trace how food actually built the world we live in — from the Columbian Exchange and the science behind corn, to slavery, immigration, and the industrial food system we're stuck with today. Topics discussed: The Columbian Exchange: how corn, chili, potatoes, and tomatoes reshaped diets on both sides of the Atlantic The science of nixtamalization — why New World corn didn't wreck teeth the way Old World wheat did How chili peppers spread across the glo…

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America'S Next 250 With Ezra Klein &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
America's Next 250 with Ezra Klein

For America's 250th, we asked Ezra Klein what freedom actually requires of us — and he took us somewhere we didn't expect: attention. We get into why the older idea of freedom was about self-maste…

For America's 250th,…

For America's 250th, we asked Ezra Klein what freedom actually requires of us — and he took us somewhere we didn't expect: attention. We get into why the older idea of freedom was about self-mastery, not just endless choice, and what that means for how we live, parent, and govern right now. It's a Fourth of July conversation about virtue, institutions, and whether we can still build something new.Topics discussed:• The vision of abundance and why the future is so hard to imagine• Attention as a collective resource — and why ours is deranged• Freedom as choice vs. freedom as self…

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Rick Atkinson On The Revolution We Misremember &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Rick Atkinson on the Revolution We Misremember

We're celebrating America 250 with three-time Pulitzer winner Rick Atkinson, whose Revolution Trilogy strips the reverence off the founding to show what was actually there: the first American civil wa…

We're celebrating Am…

We're celebrating America 250 with three-time Pulitzer winner Rick Atkinson, whose Revolution Trilogy strips the reverence off the founding to show what was actually there: the first American civil war, a continent of human loss, and a republic that has weathered worse than this. Outside of Politics, the most important question of the summer: what's your favorite fair food? Topics discussed:The Revolution as America's first civil warWhy Britain lost a war it was expected to win — and the role of alliesThe human cost: Valley Forge and the letters of Sergeant Oliver ReedThe women of the Revolu…

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The Mamdani Effect: Is Democratic Socialism Really On The Rise? &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
The Mamdani Effect: Is Democratic Socialism Really on the Rise?

After a wave of June primaries, the question isn't just whether democratic socialism is winning — it's what it's actually offering. Beth and Sarah pull apart the electoral story (charisma, anti-esta…

After a wave of June…

After a wave of June primaries, the question isn't just whether democratic socialism is winning — it's what it's actually offering. Beth and Sarah pull apart the electoral story (charisma, anti-establishment energy, and a generational shift on Israel) from the policy story: where collective approaches have something real to contribute, where capitalism still delivers, and the third thing Trump is quietly building that nobody's naming.Topics discussed:- The Mamdani effect and the June primary results across four states- Why Mamdani spent political capital endorsing three House races- The gene…

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Tulsi Gabbard, Jd Vance, And Faith In Politics &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Tulsi Gabbard, JD Vance, and Faith in Politics

From a $14.5 million paint job peeling off the bottom of the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool to a sitting vice president's conversion memoir, this episode is about the distance between what leaders p…

From a $14.5 million…

From a $14.5 million paint job peeling off the bottom of the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool to a sitting vice president's conversion memoir, this episode is about the distance between what leaders perform and what they actually deliver. Sarah and Beth dig into rushed, made-for-TV governance, Keir Starmer's resignation one day before Brexit's tenth anniversary, and the Washington Post's bombshell reporting on faith and power in American politics.Topics discussed:- The Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool's makeover gone wrong- Keir Starmer's resignation and Brexit at ten- What the center-left can…

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Which Of The Nine Political Types Are You? &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Which of the Nine Political Types Are You?

The President announced a "deal" with Iran on his birthday, between a UFC fight and a Crypto promotion — except it isn't a deal, it's a memorandum of understanding, which is a fancy way of saying no…

The President announ…

The President announced a "deal" with Iran on his birthday, between a UFC fight and a crypto promotion — except it isn't a deal, it's a memorandum of understanding, which is a fancy way of saying nobody agreed to much of anything yet. Sarah and Beth get into what's actually happening in Iran, then turn to a Pew Research framework that breaks the country into nine political types instead of two parties. Plus: the surprisingly useful rule about when it's worth staying up late.Topics discussed:- The Iran "deal" that's really a memorandum of understanding- Why JD Vance looks set up to take the f…

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Why America 250 Is Worth Celebrating &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Why America 250 Is Worth Celebrating

The country got an invitation to its own 250th birthday and hesitated — do we even feel like celebrating right now? Sarah and Beth make the case that the answer is yes, and not in spite of how hard …

The country got an i…

The country got an invitation to its own 250th birthday and hesitated — do we even feel like celebrating right now? Sarah and Beth make the case that the answer is yes, and not in spite of how hard things are but because of it. A milestone is a chance to take stock and tell the most honest version of the story we can, regardless of what the loudest and most cynical voices do. Topics discussed:- Why celebrating America's 250th feels awkward this year- The America250 commission vs. Trump's separate "Freedom 250" / White House rally- What the 1976 Bicentennial actually got right- The military's…

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Ai Goes Public: Should America Own A Piece? &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
AI Goes Public: Should America Own a Piece?

SpaceX's IPO begins trading today, with OpenAI and Anthropic close behind. The rules of going public seem to be changing by the day. We talk about why this IPO matters to all of us and the Bernie Sand…

SpaceX's IPO begins …

SpaceX's IPO begins trading today, with OpenAI and Anthropic close behind. The rules of going public seem to be changing by the day. We talk about why this IPO matters to all of us and the Bernie Sanders proposal for the public to take a stake in AI companies. Outside of politics, a halfway-through-2026 check-in on our words of the year (which we had fully forgotten, if that tells you anything!). Topics Discussed:- The SpaceX IPO and its red flags- What going public is supposed to mean — and what it means here- How index funds could put SpaceX in your Retirement account whether you choose it…

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Negotation, Networking, And The New Job Search &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Negotation, Networking, and the New Job Search

The headlines about this job market are frightening, and the advice often feels contradictory, particularly for young people. Sarah sits down with professor Kim Miller — who taught both of us at Tra…

The headlines about …

The headlines about this job market are frightening, and the advice often feels contradictory, particularly for young people. Sarah sits down with professor Kim Miller — who taught both of us at Transylvania — to talk honestly about what is actually happening and what you can do about it. We cover negotiation, the power of real Relationships, and how to make yourself ready for opportunities you can't yet see.Topics discussed:• Why the job market feels so chaotic right now: AI, economic uncertainty, mass layoffs, and even retirees re-entering the workforce• Negotiation as the skill nobo…

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Is Congress Finally Pushing Back On Trump? &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Is Congress Finally Pushing Back on Trump?

This week's primary results gave Democrats and independents a few reasons to pay attention — and behind closed doors, the Republican caucus is finally showing some friction. Beth and Sarah go deep o…

This week's primary …

This week's primary results gave Democrats and independents a few reasons to pay attention — and behind closed doors, the Republican caucus is finally showing some friction. Beth and Sarah go deep on Delaney Hall, a Newark ICE detention facility where protests are escalating, lawsuits are piling up, and conditions are becoming impossible to ignore. Outside of politics, what we're doing with our "time confetti." Topics discussed:• Primary results in California, New Jersey, New Mexico, Iowa, South Dakota, and Montana• Republican caucus friction: the anti-weaponization fund, Todd Blanche's …

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