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Pantsuit Politics is a podcast for real conversations that help us understand politics, democracy, and the news - while still treating each other like thoughtful human beings. We take a different approach to the news; our political analysis blends hard facts with important social and cultural undercurrents so you don’t miss the big picture. Over years of discussing everything from abortion to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, we established basic rules of engagement, which we describe in our books, Now What? How to Move Forward When We’re Divided (About Basically Everything) (2022) and I Think You’re Wrong (But I’m Listening): A Guide to Grace-Filled Political Conversation (2019). Listeners describe us as “America’s political therapists” and “our trusted, smarter friends who can help us make sense of the world.”

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The Normie Problem: Can Democrats Win With Platner? &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
The Normie Problem: Can Democrats Win with Platner?

Graham Platner is running for Senate in Maine and trailing a string of controversies — a tattoo with Nazi-era symbolism, old Reddit posts, and now a Wall Street Journal exposé on explicit texts wit…

Graham Platner is ru…

Graham Platner is running for Senate in Maine and trailing a string of controversies — a tattoo with Nazi-era symbolism, old Reddit posts, and now a Wall Street Journal exposé on explicit texts with multiple women. Sarah and Beth use his candidacy as a lens on what we actually want from politicians: how normal is too normal, what "progressive vs. moderate" names and misses, and whether emotional maturity is a reasonable standard to hold. Plus: a new Instagram obsession and significant news about changes at Pantsuit Politics.Topics discussed:- Graham Platner and the Maine Senate race- Politi…

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Ken Paxton, Redistricting, And The Midterms Map &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Ken Paxton, Redistricting, and the Midterms Map

On today's Pantsuit Politics: Ken Paxton defeats John Cornyn by 28 points — the widest primary margin against a sitting senator in nearly 50 years — and we dig into what it means for the Senate ma…

On today's Pantsuit …

On today's Pantsuit Politics: Ken Paxton defeats John Cornyn by 28 points — the widest primary margin against a sitting senator in nearly 50 years — and we dig into what it means for the Senate map and the midterms. Plus a redistricting roundup from South Carolina, Alabama, and Florida. And Outside of Politics: summer movies, from Project Hail Mary to The Odyssey to The Mandalorian & Grogu (the popcorn was excellent). Ready to go deeper? Check out https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Shaky Ceasefires, Pope Leo’s Leadership, And The School Year’s Biggest Lessons &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Shaky Ceasefires, Pope Leo’s Leadership, and the School Year’s Biggest Lessons

Over the weekend, I started a “lessons learned” Google doc. I Love the stark, in-your-face, no-hedging Clarity that comes from a bullet point list: “Here are the words that distill years or mont…

Over the weekend, I …

Over the weekend, I started a “lessons learned” Google doc. I love the stark, in-your-face, no-hedging clarity that comes from a bullet point list: “Here are the words that distill years or months of experiences, Emotions, decisions, triumphs, and set-backs.”  That energy seems to be in the air as Memorial Day unofficially kicks off summer. Pope Leo has distilled his thoughts on the dignity of humans. The public at-large seems to be with him on the indecency and foolishness of war. Universities and schools are changing policies in light of lessons learned, and people running for offic…

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Consumption Is Eating Art &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Consumption Is Eating Art

Beth’s daughter, Ellen, asked why our books aren’t on the bestseller list, and honestly? Great question, Ellen. That one question opens up the whole can of worms today: how popular consensus gets …

Beth’s daughter, E…

Beth’s daughter, Ellen, asked why our books aren’t on the bestseller list, and honestly? Great question, Ellen. That one question opens up the whole can of worms today: how popular consensus gets manufactured — from the mysterious black box of the New York Times bestseller list to music catalogs being protected like the financial assets they literally are, to the Vulture piece that confirmed what I’ve suspected for a while now, which is that nothing on your social media feed is actually organic. We also wade into the Michael Jackson biopic, which I have real feelings about, and we end …

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Trump'S China Trip, The $1.7 Billion Slush Fund, And The Ai Backlash &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Trump's China Trip, the $1.7 Billion Slush Fund, and the AI Backlash

Trump's China trip barely makes a headline, a $1.7 billion taxpayer-funded slush fund raises alarms, and we check in on where we're really at with AI — as users, as parents, and as small business ow…

Trump's China trip b…

Trump's China trip barely makes a headline, a $1.7 billion taxpayer-funded slush fund raises alarms, and we check in on where we're really at with AI — as users, as parents, and as small business owners trying to keep up. Topics Discussed: Trump Goes to China The AI Backlash Outside of Politics: The Goldilocks Summer Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Get 50% Off Monarch, the all-in-one financial tool at www.monarch.com/pantsuit Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Jacqueline Coleman Is Running For Governor &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Jacqueline Coleman is Running for Governor

As Lt. Gov. Jacqueline Coleman launches her run for governor of Kentucky, we were honored to sit down with her and discuss her path to public service and hopes for the future of Kentucky. Ready to g…

As Lt. Gov. Jacqueli…

As Lt. Gov. Jacqueline Coleman launches her run for governor of Kentucky, we were honored to sit down with her and discuss her path to public service and hopes for the future of Kentucky. Ready to go deeper? Visit ⁠⁠our website⁠⁠ for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Gerrymandering, Iran, Ukraine &Amp; The Future Of The American Family &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Gerrymandering, Iran, Ukraine & the Future of the American Family

This weekend, the Virginia Supreme Court struck down the voter-approved congressional maps, while the Tennessee legislature eliminated its only Democratic Congressional District — but Sarah and Beth…

This weekend, the Vi…

This weekend, the Virginia Supreme Court struck down the voter-approved congressional maps, while the Tennessee legislature eliminated its only Democratic Congressional District — but Sarah and Beth think despondence is the wrong response. Then they break down Trump's increasingly tangled Iran situation, why declaring victory and walking away might be the best bad option on the table, and what Ukraine's quiet battlefield gains reveal what America's absence on the world stage costs. Then, Sarah and Beth discuss what it means when Marriage and Family become a luxury — and whether the way we …

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The Abortion Pill, The Courts, And The Mess They Made &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
The Abortion Pill, the Courts, and the Mess They Made

The Fifth Circuit ruled again on mifepristone and the legal, political, and medical mess that followed is anything but settled. Sarah and Beth break down what Louisiana's "sovereign injury" theory mea…

The Fifth Circuit ru…

The Fifth Circuit ruled again on mifepristone and the legal, political, and medical mess that followed is anything but settled. Sarah and Beth break down what Louisiana's "sovereign injury" theory means for mail-access abortion pills, why "leave it to the states" was never a real answer, and where the Republican Party goes from here on an issue Donald Trump desperately wants to avoid. Then, inspired by this week's Pulitzer announcements, they share the pieces of journalism they've never been able to forget. Topics Discussed Mifepristone, the Courts, and the Mail Trump, the GOP, and the Ab…

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The Gerrymandering Death Spiral &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
The Gerrymandering Death Spiral

Sarah and Beth break down the Supreme Court's decision gutting the Voting Rights Act and what it means for the gerrymandering arms race reshaping our electoral map. They check on Trump's promises to l…

Sarah and Beth break…

Sarah and Beth break down the Supreme Court's decision gutting the Voting Rights Act and what it means for the gerrymandering arms race reshaping our electoral map. They check on Trump's promises to lower prices and fix our fiscal house. Outside of Politics, prom season has them asking whether we've over-structured — or under-structured — life for our kids.

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The Education Crisis Nobody Wants To Fix &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
The Education Crisis Nobody Wants to Fix

Rahm Emanuel came ready to talk — and y'all, we were ready. This conversation covers the Education crisis in America (which I don’t think a single person in this audience needs to be convinced abo…

Rahm Emanuel came re…

Rahm Emanuel came ready to talk — and y'all, we were ready. This conversation covers the education crisis in America (which I don’t think a single person in this audience needs to be convinced about), what Mississippi actually did to turn things around, why Rahm closed schools in Chicago and would do it again, and what a real federal education strategy could look like. We also got into fiscal reality, political will, phones in classrooms, the debt we owe to community colleges, and whether the next president should come in like FDR or like a triage nurse. Plus: Rahm's near-death experience …

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The Whcd Shooting And The Anti-Authority Era &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
The WHCD shooting and the Anti-Authority Era

Sarah and Beth respond to the shooting at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, examining what it — alongside a pervasive anti-authority mood across American life — reveals about the state of ou…

Sarah and Beth respo…

Sarah and Beth respond to the shooting at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, examining what it — alongside a pervasive anti-authority mood across American life — reveals about the state of our social contract. Outside of Politics, they reflect on Spotify's 20th anniversary list of its all-time most-streamed artists and songs.

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Sharon Mcmahon, Antifa, And The Self-Care We Don’t Regret &Raquo; 45C6A4D0Eae904B7004B634444F4488E
Sharon McMahon, Antifa, and the Self-Care We Don’t Regret

What does it mean to truly value free speech? Sarah and Beth discuss the controversy around Sharon McMahon speaking at Utah Valley University, the EO designating Antifa as a domestic terrorist organiz…

What does it mean to…

What does it mean to truly value free speech? Sarah and Beth discuss the controversy around Sharon McMahon speaking at Utah Valley University, the EO designating Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization, and more. Plus, what leisure activities are actually worth it? Topics Discussed: Sharon McMahon and Utah Valley University  The Antifa Executive Order  The Prairieland Nine prosecution  Chip Roy’s MAMDANI Act  The Southern Poverty Law Center indictment  Cancel culture and the criminalization of speech  Outside of Politics: Leisure - what we regret and what we happily pay for Ready…

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