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193 From Grief Math to Spiritual Play: A Journey with Chaplain Jessica Shannon

  1. 193 From Grief Math to Spiritual Play: A Journey with Chaplain Jessica Shannon Marie Betcher RN 37:01

193 From Grief Math to Spiritual Play: A Journey with Chaplain Jessica Shannon

Hospice Explained host Marie Betcher (RN and former hospice nurse) interviews board-certified chaplain, writer, certified grief coach, and hospice bereavement coordinator Jessica Shannon. Jessica explains how chaplains provide interfaith support without proselytizing and help families find hope in whatever sustains them, including in complex situations where Family members draw on different sources such as faith or science. She describes pediatric spiritual play—rooted in child development and adapted from Jerome Berryman’s Godly Play—using tools like bibliotherapy, coloring prompts, and “emotional Uno” to help children express feelings and process illness and grief, sometimes facilitating honest family conversations about Dying. Jessica also discusses adapting these approaches for adult bereavement support and introduces her book, The Sum of Grief, based on her mother’s sudden death when Jessica was 17years old, and her later experience of “grief math” as she approached her mother’s age at death, with a future episode planned on pet loss.

00:00 Welcome and Disclaimer

00:29 Meet Host and Guest

03:53 Chaplaincy and Bereavement Role

07:07 Pediatric Spiritual Play Basics

08:42 Bibliotherapy Case Story

10:44 Working With Parents Too

13:27 Interfaith Support and Hope

15:57 Spiritual Play Tools and Games

23:28 Adapting Play for Adults

25:41 Her Book and Grief Math

34:47 Closing and Pet Loss Teaser

36:40 Final Thanks and Subscribe

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Finding a Hospice Agency

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2. choose Find provider

3. Choose Hospice

4. then add your zip code

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Marie Betcher Marie Betcher BSN, RN

I am a Registered nurse with 37 years of experience. I spent 4 of those years working in Hospice.
I found out of all areas that I worked either in or out of the Hospital.

Hospice and the end of life needed the most education. I created my Podcast Hospice Explained based on that need for education.