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January 12th, 2026

HR Keeps You Out of Jail | But That’s Not the Real Job | Athelie Williams

  1. HR Keeps You Out of Jail | But That’s Not the Real Job | Athelie Williams 44:33

HR has two roles: keep the business out of jail and unlock human performance.

In this powerful conversation, Ashley Williams (former CHRO of BT Group and BHP) explains what truly matters for HR leaders during periods of Growth and transformation.

We discuss:
– Why HR must be a business function, not just a support function
– The reality of transformation in large organisations
– Leadership Clarity, trust, and resilience in uncertain times
– How human performance must serve business strategy

If you’re a CHRO, senior leader, or HR professional navigating complexity, this episode will challenge how you think about the role of HR. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com
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Adam Pacifico The Leadership Enigma

Adam Pacifico is the host of the award winning, globally ranked podcast, The Leadership Enigma. He has spent 3 decades experiencing and exploring the best and worst of human behaviour in his various roles as a barrister defending and prosecuting in the criminal courts and as an operational police officer on the streets of London. He is insatiably curious and continues looking for the differentiators as to who, how and why people out perform in leadership roles. He is the author of 'The Leader's Secret Code' (shortlisted for business book of the year) and had delivered events nationally and internationally to over 60,000 people.

His passion for leadership is based on advice from his mentor: 'The children of the people you lead will know your name, in what context is up to you.'