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My name is Jon Schwabish, and I am an economist, writer, teacher, and data communications expert. I am widely recognized for advancing Clarity and accessibility in how analysts, researchers, and scholars communicate their findings. I am the author of four books—Better Presentations, Elevate the Debate, Better Data Visualizations, and Data Visualization in Excel—which provide practical guidance for people looking to improve how they create, present, and communicate data-rich content. I am also the host of the PolicyViz Podcast, the longest running podcast dedicated to helping listeners better understand data and data visualizations.

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The Math Behind Beautiful Color: David Aerne On Building Open-Source Color Tools &Raquo; 7Af84444 9451 4413 B319 45F8Ad09Ca6D
The Math Behind Beautiful Color: David Aerne on Building Open-Source Color Tools

Welcome to the final episode of Season #12 of the PolicyViz Podcast! Thanks so much for checking out the show this season and I hope you enjoy your summer. I’ll be back this fall with more great epi…

Welcome to the final…

Welcome to the final episode of Season #12 of the PolicyViz Podcast! Thanks so much for checking out the show this season and I hope you enjoy your summer. I’ll be back this fall with more great episodes.On this episode of the show, I’m joined by David Aerne, a freelance developer and designer based in Zurich who has spent years building a remarkable collection of open-source color tools. We dig into the difference between color models, color spaces, and gamuts, and David explains why thinking about color in three dimensions—like navigating a cylinder—can make choosing palettes so much…

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From Homework To Portfolio: Nyc Open Data In The Classroom &Raquo; 7Af84444 9451 4413 B319 45F8Ad09Ca6D
From Homework to Portfolio: NYC Open Data in the Classroom

Welcome back to the show! In this week’s episode, I chat with Christian Martinez, a faculty member at Brooklyn College and several other CUNY schools, and Shannon Joyce, a newly minted master’s gr…

Welcome back to the …

Welcome back to the show! In this week’s episode, I chat with Christian Martinez, a faculty member at Brooklyn College and several other CUNY schools, and Shannon Joyce, a newly minted master’s graduate in psychological research—who, as we note at the top, literally graduated the day before we recorded. Christian shares how he redesigned his graduate stats and R course around NYC Open Data, building what he calls an “accidental author” process that transforms students’ weekly homework into portfolio books and, ultimately, chapters in a published student gallery. Shannon walks us th…

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Outlier 2026: What To Expect At This Year'S Data Visualization Society Conference &Raquo; 7Af84444 9451 4413 B319 45F8Ad09Ca6D
Outlier 2026: What to Expect at This Year's Data Visualization Society Conference

Episode #310! This week I sit down with Jennifer Roscoe and Shrishti Vaish, two of the key organizers behind Outlier 2026, the annual data visualization conference hosted by the Data Visualization Soc…

Episode #310! This w…

Episode #310! This week I sit down with Jennifer Roscoe and Shrishti Vaish, two of the key organizers behind Outlier 2026, the annual data visualization conference hosted by the Data Visualization Society. We talked about what it takes to pull off a fully virtual, global conference, and why going virtual this year was a strategic choice, not a compromise. Jennifer and Shrishti walked me through the conference dates (June 23–26), the brand-new pre-conference data challenge in partnership with the United Nations, and the exciting new feedback and career clinic designed to give attendees a safe…

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Reimagining Civic Participation: The Digital Democracy Project &Raquo; 7Af84444 9451 4413 B319 45F8Ad09Ca6D
Reimagining Civic Participation: The Digital Democracy Project

I talk with Ramon Perez, Executive Director of the Digital Democracy Project this week. DDP is a nonpartisan nonprofit using secure mobile voting Technology to give citizens a real-time voice in legis…

I talk with Ramon Pe…

I talk with Ramon Perez, Executive Director of the Digital Democracy Project this week. DDP is a nonpartisan nonprofit using secure mobile voting technology to give citizens a real-time voice in legislation. Ramon explains how the platform lets verified, registered voters weigh in on bills being debated in Congress and their state house—and then scores legislators on how closely their votes match what their districts wanted. We dig into how AI, including a RAG-powered chatbot called VoteBot, helps everyday citizens parse thousands of pages of complex legislative text. We also discuss digital…

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Mapping The Invisible: Inside The Atlas Of Macroscopes &Raquo; 7Af84444 9451 4413 B319 45F8Ad09Ca6D
Mapping the Invisible: Inside the Atlas of Macroscopes

Welcome back to the show! This week, I sit down with three co-authors of the Atlas of Macroscopes—Katy Borner, Elizabeth Record, and Todd Theriault from the Cyberinfrastructure for Network Science C…

Welcome back to the …

Welcome back to the show! This week, I sit down with three co-authors of the Atlas of Macroscopes—Katy Borner, Elizabeth Record, and Todd Theriault from the Cyberinfrastructure for Network Science Center at Indiana University—to explore what a macroscope actually is and how it differs from a standard interactive visualization. We trace the 20-year journey of the Places and Spaces: Mapping Science exhibit, from two-dimensional wall maps to the 40 richly interactive pieces featured in this stunning 11×14-inch MIT Press book. Along the way, we talk about design strategies for making complex …

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Data Vandals: Taking Data Visualization Off The Screen And Into The Streets &Raquo; 7Af84444 9451 4413 B319 45F8Ad09Ca6D
Data Vandals: Taking Data Visualization Off the Screen and Into the Streets

In this episode, I sat down with Jen Ray and Jason Forrest—the married duo behind Data Vandals—to talk about their remarkable approach to bringing data visualization off the screen and into the ph…

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In this episode, I sat down with Jen Ray and Jason Forrest—the married duo behind Data Vandals—to talk about their remarkable approach to bringing data visualization off the screen and into the physical world. What started as a pandemic-era poster campaign in New York City evolved into street theater, interactive gallery installations, and a Piaggio Ape three-wheeler touring London with opinion surveys. We talked about how they use isotypes, stickers, and hand-painted signs to spark real conversations between strangers about everything from gun violence to foxes to billionaires. We also go…

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Why Government Makes Things Hard: Don Moynihan On Administrative Burden &Raquo; 7Af84444 9451 4413 B319 45F8Ad09Ca6D
Why Government Makes Things Hard: Don Moynihan on Administrative Burden

In this episode, I chat with Don Moynihan, professor of public policy at the University of Michigan and author of the widely-read Substack newsletter Can We Still Govern? Don’s research focuses on a…

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In this episode, I chat with Don Moynihan, professor of public policy at the University of Michigan and author of the widely-read Substack newsletter Can We Still Govern? Don’s research focuses on administrative burdens—the learning, compliance, and psychological costs people experience when interacting with government—and how those frictions shape public trust. We talk about the data challenges involved in measuring these experiences, how the shift to digital services changes the picture, and why governments historically have ignored the costs they impose on the people they serve. We al…

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Ai, Dashboards, And Human Decisions: A Conversation With Melanie Tory &Raquo; 7Af84444 9451 4413 B319 45F8Ad09Ca6D
AI, Dashboards, and Human Decisions: A Conversation with Melanie Tory

In this week’s episode, I talk with Melanie Tory, Professor of the Practice at Northeastern University, about how people actually use dashboards in the real world — and why that use often looks ve…

In this week’s epi…

In this week’s episode, I talk with Melanie Tory, Professor of the Practice at Northeastern University, about how people actually use dashboards in the real world — and why that use often looks very different from what designers intend. Her research reveals that dashboards frequently serve as a starting point for accessing data rather than tools for answering questions directly, with many users simply exporting data to Excel to do their real analytical work. We also explore her work on AI-enabled healthcare systems designed to help clinicians monitor patient risk in intensive care units, i…

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From Pdfs To Pit Lane: Building A Real-Time Data Product For Mclaren Racing &Raquo; 7Af84444 9451 4413 B319 45F8Ad09Ca6D
From PDFs to Pit Lane: Building a Real-Time Data Product for McLaren Racing

In this week’s episode of the PolicyViz Podcast, I chat with Michael Gethers, former Head of Data & Strategy for the McLaren IndyCar team, about how a personal side project analyzing IndyCar timing …

In this week’s epi…

In this week’s episode of the PolicyViz Podcast, I chat with Michael Gethers, former Head of Data & Strategy for the McLaren IndyCar team, about how a personal side project analyzing IndyCar timing PDFs turned into a job building real-time data tools for a professional race team. We dig into what it’s like to design data products for engineers, strategists, and drivers who need to understand information instantly while a car is on track. Michael shares how he moved from making public visualizations on Twitter to building an internal analytics application from scratch, why “pretty charts�…

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The People'S Data: Why Federal Data Matters More Than Ever With Nick Hart &Raquo; 7Af84444 9451 4413 B319 45F8Ad09Ca6D
The People's Data: Why Federal Data Matters More Than Ever with Nick Hart

In this episode, I talk with Nick Hart, President and CEO of the Data Foundation, about the rapidly changing landscape of federal data, statistical agencies, and evidence-based policymaking. We explor…

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In this episode, I talk with Nick Hart, President and CEO of the Data Foundation, about the rapidly changing landscape of federal data, statistical agencies, and evidence-based policymaking. We explore how the Evidence Act reshaped government data infrastructure, why privacy protections and data governance matter more than ever, and what’s been happening behind the scenes over the last year as agencies faced staffing cuts, data removals, and unprecedented political pressure. Nick explains how government data systems actually work, why the U.S. model is both admired and strained, and what a �…

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Dashboards That Deliver: A Conversation With Amanda Makulec &Raquo; 7Af84444 9451 4413 B319 45F8Ad09Ca6D
Dashboards That Deliver: A Conversation with Amanda Makulec

In this episode, I talk with Amanda Makulec about what it really takes to design dashboards and data products that people can understand and use. We dig into why so many dashboards fail, how designers…

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In this episode, I talk with Amanda Makulec about what it really takes to design dashboards and data products that people can understand and use. We dig into why so many dashboards fail, how designers and analysts often misjudge their audiences, and what it means to take a truly human-centered approach to data visualization. Amanda shares insights from her work leading the Data Visualization Society and from her book, including practical ways to think about context, cognition, and decision-making. We also discuss common misconceptions about dashboards, stakeholder expectations, and the gap bet…

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The Future Of America'S Data: Policy, Risk, And Resilience With Denice Ross &Raquo; 7Af84444 9451 4413 B319 45F8Ad09Ca6D
The Future of America's Data: Policy, Risk, and Resilience with Denice Ross

In this episode, I talk with Denice Ross about the fragile state of federal data and her new work at DataIndex. We discuss how the removal, alteration, or disruption of federal data collections and da…

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In this episode, I talk with Denice Ross about the fragile state of federal data and her new work at DataIndex. We discuss how the removal, alteration, or disruption of federal data collections and data products affects research, policymaking, businesses, and everyday life. Denice explains the vision behind DataIndex and EssentialData, which monitor data risks, highlight data dependencies, and help users recognize how federal data benefit society. We also explore the roles of private-sector data, civic tech efforts, and public advocacy in building a more resilient national data infrastructure.…

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