Laura Richards spent 32 years married to a covert narcissist — someone who looked like “the nice guy” to everyone outside the Marriage while quietly breaking her down inside it. After her Divorce, she became a bestselling author (“Married to a Nice Guy,” “You’re Not Crazy”), podcaster, and coach helping other women recognize the same patterns she lived through.
In this conversation, Laura and Greg dig into:
- How covert narcissism hides in plain sight — generous and well-liked in public, cold and controlling at home
- Trauma bonding and the “breadcrumb” cycle that keeps people hoping things will change
- Gaslighting in real, everyday moments — not just dramatic ones
- The subtle ways partners get isolated from friends and Family
- Why “could you live like this for the rest of your life?” is the only question that matters
- What to do first if this is resonating — and why a trauma-informed therapist matters
- How to leave safely: quiet, strategic, and on your own terms
Laura’s full library of books, Coaching, community, and resources is at thatswhereimatpodcast.com.
Me? I'm a chill late 60-something, (very late), women's health coach, podcaster, wife, step mother, Gigi to 2 grand baby boys, 3 cats, 2 goats, and many chickens. Former pro chef turned entrepreneur. My current ventures include BeMoreMarketable, copywriting for coaches and Rebellious Wellness Lifestyle, where I host a podcast of the same name and write on healthy aging topics that mainstream media skips. I untangle the confusion around health trends and bust the myths around aging so common today--like "this is what happens at your age." What age is that I want to know!
My side gig is gardener and flower arranger.
