1. Sexy Stories for Women Over Sixty 44:24

The Hey, Boomer guest today is Stella Fosse, writer, advocate for older women’s empowerment and workshop leader. 

Our topic today was Sexy Stories for and about Women Over Sixty. Stella reinvented herself from a technical writer, to a writer of erotica for and about older women. Her first book, Aphrodite’s Pen: The Power of Writing Erotica after Midlife, includes lots of how to’s and prompts to get your started. Her latest book, “Brilliant Charming Bastard” was released this year.

We talked about claiming our narrative at this stage of our lives. 

We discussed the difference between Elderotica and Seasoned Romance Stories. 

When I asked about being objectified as sexual beings, Stella turned that around to finding the freedom of being able to walk down the street without being harassed, and the freedom to be more playful in our relationships.

We talked about the benefit of finding supportive writers groups, both in person and online. 

It was a fun discussion. I think you will enjoy it.

Episode Takeaways:

1. Read books, and watch movies that show possibilities of this part of life.

2. Find ways to build creativity into this part of your life.

3. Enjoy your body.

4. Learning and sex until rigor mortis. 

Thanks so much for listening.

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– Wendy Green is a Certified Life Coach, working with people going through the sometimes uncomfortable life transition from full-time work to “what’s next.” Find out more about Wendy’s 6-week “What’s Next Transition” Coaching workshop

– You can find Stella at stellafosse.com or email her at stella@stellafosse.com 

Other resources mentioned

Writing Open the Mind by Andy Couturier 

Fifty First Dates After Fifty by Carolyn Lee Arnold 

Fear of Dying by Erica Jong

Naked at our Age by Joan Price 

Forever 51 by Pamela Skjolsvik

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Show transcript

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Now to talk about what’s coming up. Kathleen, A Berry PhD and coeditor of “Unmasked: Women write about sex and intimacy after 50” said, “When we think of erotica, we don’t usually link it together with middle aged women.”

In fact, it is middle aged women who are finally liberated to fully experience the sensuous delight of erotica. They have reached the point in their lives when they are no longer encumbered by the risk of pregnancy, nor zapped by the physical ramifications of Menopause.

And there’s another aspect to this topic. Ageist thinking says that older women become matronly and we lose our beauty. And the idea of older women having sex seems almost unappealing in our society. There are a few examples of women over 50 being sexual in the media. I’m sure that or I hope that you all have seen Grace and Frankie with Lily Tomlin and Jane Fonda. And there’s a new movie out with Emma Thompson called Good Luck to You, Leo Grande. And in this movie, Emma Thompson plays a widow who has never had a satisfying sex life. She is curious and she’s nervous. She hires a sex worker. This movie explores her journey to becoming comfortable with her own sexuality. It is available on Hulu. Good luck to you, Leo Grande. So today we’re going to talk about the idea that we are all sensual beings into our sixties, seventies, eighties and beyond, and that we can all make our own decisions about what is right for us regarding sex at this stage of our life, really at any stage of our life. So let me bring Stella on and introduce you. Hello, Stella.

I want to thank. Thanks for having.

Me. Oh, I’ve been looking forward to this. And so is the audience. I’ve heard a lot of people say, Oh, I’m going to watch.

I’m going to watch.

So brief bio. Stella is a former biotechnology writer who advocates for the creative power of older women. Her books include “Aphrodite’s Pen: The Power of Writing Erotica After Midlife”, “The Erotic Pandemic Ball,”

And ooh, did you hear the Thunder? And her debut novel at age 68, “Brilliant, Charming Bastard.” She is currently teaching romance writing to seniors and writing a book about creative Retirement. Stella lives with her partner in North Carolina. You can follow her on Facebook, LinkedIn and Instagram, and she blogs on her website, which we will get to, and I’ll share all of her contact information later. So, Stella.

Yes.

So, you know, in my Coaching practice, I always talk to people about reinvention. And many people have a really hard time thinking about what they’re going to do next. They had their career and That was that was who they defined themselves as they didn’t have an idea of what was next. So I’m curious about your reinvention journey from tech writer to writer of erotica and the ups and downs of that.

Oh Well, I always wanted to be a writer. In fact, my childhood goal was to write my first novel by the time I was 25. So I missed that by 50 years. As you said, it’s never too late. So I went to college in the early seventies when there was a total double standard about writing anything sexual. Philip Roth’s novels were literature. Erica Jong’s novels were trash. And so that’s that’s what it was like when I came up. And I certainly never thought about writing erotica back then after college, after I got my degree in creative writing, which when I moved to New York, I was told would get me. If I had that plus $0.25, I could get a ride in the subway. So I went back to school, got a master’s in biology, and had a career writing FDA submissions, which are about as asexual as you can get. And when I was starting to think about graduating from that career, if we don’t like the word Retirement, maybe we can. Graduation. I happened to read an article in the New York Times Book Review section by a romance author who was also in her late fifties, who was advising her sister writers that if they wanted to get published, they should write romance characters in their twenties. And I thought, that’s pretty outrageous. Why should women of a certain age have to closet themselves when they write? And around that time, a friend of mine Linx Cannon started a reading series at an Oakland bookstore called Dirty Old Women, and she invited all her friends to write erotic stories and come and read them before an audience. And I thought, Well, why not? So that’s that’s how this started.

So I mean, I think if you asked me to come to a book reading and writing erotic stuff called Dirty Old Women, I would probably be pretty nervous. Were you nervous at first?

Yeah, I sure was. But, you know, we had a great crowd every time, and it was really a mixed age crowd. There were a lot of younger women in the audience who would come up to us afterwards and thank us and say, you know, we we thought that part of life ended around age 40. So thank you for showing us that that’s not the case. I’ve come to think of this kind of writing as a political act, really, as part of our part of liberating ourselves.

So a political act and an educational act in a sense, for the young people that there is. You can continue to look forward to this.

That’s right. This doesn’t just there’s not a not a cutoff date.

Right. Right. So in Aphrodite’s pen, you talk about the power of writing erotica. As older women, what do you mean by that power?

I think I think there are a couple of kinds of power involved. One is the power to claim back our narrative for ourselves. You mentioned earlier that there’s this there’s this idea in the culture. There’s this sexist age trope that older women have outlived their own sexuality. And when we write, even if even if a woman writes a story and saves it for herself, she’s reclaiming her own agency because, you know, sexuality isn’t something society gives us or something society can take away. It’s innate in us. And when we write, we reclaim that for ourselves. And if we decide to publish a story, then we’re pushing back on this big cultural narrative. I think of. I think of culture as sort of like an ocean liner. You know, it’s going in one direction. It’s big, has a lot of there’s a lot of inertia. But if if everybody gets out their teaspoon, writes their story and starts, you know, pushing the water, we can we can start turning the culture in a better direction if a lot of us are writing our stories.

Well, if you’ve never written anything like that before. Yeah, how would you even get started?

Well, I think, you know, if you’re not in a community that has a dirty old women reading series, you can still you can certainly get a copy of Aphrodite’s Pen, which has exercise, writing exercises, writing prompts, all kinds of ideas for how to create characters, how to mine your own life experience. Because by now all of us have lots and lots of experience that we can draw from in creating plots and creating characters. And then the book also has interviews with women, older women who write erotica, talking about their experience and examples of stories that they’ve written. So you can really get a sense of of this what I think of as a developing crone culture.

Hmm. Hmm. So I, I have to tell you, I mean, I was so a naive, I guess is the right word about all of this. You know, I was I was thinking, well, there’s not really going to be much of a plot. It’s just going to be one sexual act after another. And and when I read your book, Brilliant, Charming Bastard, there was quite an involved plot there and not nearly as much sex as I expected there to be. And it was tastefully managed. So it was a big surprise to me. And you called this form of this genre of writing. Like, what did you call it?

Elderotica.

Elderotica. And and the way they categorize it.

So seasoned, well there is a category of seasoned romance. Seasoned romance. So when I was speaking earlier about that article, I read by that the woman advising other women writers to make their characters young. She was writing romance, which is a really structured form. And I sort of thought I was writing romance when I wrote Brilliant Charming Bastard. But now that I’m teaching about romance, I realized that I did not follow the rules. Romance. Romance has a very set structure for how you set up your plot and how your characters interact and what happens at the end. And it’s really about a happily ever after ending. And my book is more a lot of people hate the phrase women’s literature. But I think mine is more like seasoned women’s literature. But there is a whole category now called season romance. Publishers are realizing that we are a big market. There are a lot of people now, more and more people in their fifties, sixties and seventies. And we don’t necessarily want to read about people in their twenties.

Right. So what’s the difference then between Seasoned Romance and Elderotica?

Oh, that’s a good question. So. So if you think about again, if you think about what romance is, it’s it’s really centered around one relationship between two people and they have to have a happily ever after ending. Erotica is more like how one person develops, one main character develops through her sexual experiences and and becomes a more fully developed person by the end of the story. So it’s it’s it’s a different it’s a different genre. And then there’s porn, which is a whole different thing.

Right, right, right. So I would say that Good Luck To You, Leo Grande is Elderotica. Have you seen it?

Oh, I love that movie. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Because she definitely develops into a more fuller person.

Yes. And she’s really developing her relationship with herself.

Yes.

Not that the other person is objectified because he’s not. I think he’s he’s he’s a fully developed character in his own right. But but the the real theme of the story is that she comes into her own, as you said earlier. Yeah. Yeah, I guess it is sort of. It is elder erotica. I hadn’t thought of that. Yeah.

Yeah, I loved it. It is. I mean, at first I wasn’t sure if I was going to like it, but yeah, it was so brave.

Yes.

So so talking about objectification. Yeah. Right. So when we’re young, you know, society, I mean, sex sells and ads, right? They encourage young women to dress sexy, wear the highest heels, you know. And it is a very objectified way of gaining attention as older women, of course, we still want to look lovely and sexy. And how do we how do we do that so that our minds are not telling us? Yeah, but that’s just objectifying yourself.

That’s a really interesting question. I think. I think there comes a point in most of our lives where we can walk past a construction site without being harassed. And and, you know, that is, you know, people talk about invisibility of older women. There is that upside. There is that freedom. And in that freedom, I really think there’s an opportunity, again, to to look at our own agency, to claim our own sexual being and to not feel like we’re always having to fend off unwanted attention. So I like to look at the freedom side of it. And and once we’ve once we’re kind of in that state, once we’re in that stage, when we reclaimed our freedom, then I think it gives us room to be more playful in our relationships because because we have freed ourselves of that concern about being objectified. Not that I mean, you can you can play with objectification in a consensual relationship. That’s something there’s that wonderful book, Mating in Captivity, that talks about talks about that. But but again, I really think that this notion of invisibility has a huge positive aspect for us as a women.

It’s a great way to phrase it. Yeah, because we don’t have to. We don’t have to be harassed walking down the street. No, but we can be free and playful on our own terms when we want to. With whom we want to.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

I know. We’ve got a big thunderstorm coming up here.

Thor Agrees with you.

That’s right. So so talking about the women’s movement and the whole discussion about ageism. Now, you and I have both been involved in in those discussions in larger forums and, you know, the societal myth of women losing their sexuality like you talked about with the young people. So I’m curious how you think writing about sexuality or erotica or reading about it even can can help in that, dispelling some of those ageist myths?

Yeah. Yeah. You know, we all grew up with women our age, grew up swimming in this gender age group without even realizing it. I mean, think about, you know, Sleeping Beauty and Maleficent. Think about Cinderella and the wicked stepmother. I mean, we we absorbed a lot of that before. We were old enough to have maybe have clear thinking about the fact that we weren’t always going to be Cinderella’s age someday. We were going to be the age of the stepmother. And what did that mean for us? So. So when we step back from those myths and start creating our own myths, I think that really gives us a lot of power and it gives us a new voice that’s important for us as older women. So I think it’s key to seek out as a reader, as a watcher of movies and shows. I mean, you mentioned some really powerful, significant shows. There are a lot of great books out there. I mentioned Erica Jong earlier. She wrote Fear of Flying as a young woman. She wrote Fear of Dying as an older woman, which is a great novel with a lot of sexuality about being in our sixties. These are ways that we can reclaim our our power through reading and writing and kind of we can reprogram ourselves away from all that sexist age stuff that we were exposed to when we were young.

I do think there’s power in that. You know, when we when we stay in our own heads and and tell ourselves the same old story over and over again, which we bought into because that’s how we were raised. Seeing other examples like Grace and Frankie, like Leo Grande, you know, you start to say, Oh, well, there are other ways to look at this. And I love Erica Jong.

Yeah, yeah, she’s great. And, you know, there are more and more women writing from that vantage point now. Caroline Lee Arnold has a new memoir out called 51st Dates After 50. Which which is really fun. I got to got to interview her from my blog recently. And that’s just one example I have on my website. I have a whole list of references for movies, shows and books because I really think it’s important as a as a consumer of culture, to be mindful of what we are consuming and and look at the positive aspects of this part of our lives, because there are plenty of negative stories out there. Right.

I think I’ll try to link to that in the show notes.

Oh.

Yeah, because that would be good for everybody. So you’re teaching a course now?

Yeah.

What is that course?

It’s called Thee and Me Could Write a Bad Romance. What is that about? Oh, so I. One day I just on a whim, I put up something on LinkedIn saying, I’m thinking about teaching this class. Thee and Me Could Write a Bad Romance. And a woman from an organization that provides lots of content for for older folks wrote to me and said, Oh, great, we want you to come teach this class. Well, of course, I had no curriculum. I just I just had this title. So that’s when I started learning what romance is actually about as a genre, and that I actually had not written one. I thought I did, but I didn’t. So. So I put together a curriculum. It’s eight weeks long and we’ve been looking at the whole structure of romance, what act one looks like. Act two looks like Act three looks like how to build characters, how to build plot, how to make your scene conform to what you’re looking for, how to construct dialogue that works the whole the whole thing. So it’s been a lot of fun and I’m I’m looking forward to offering it again for a wider audience later on.

And are most people going to end the course with a written story?

Well, they’re they won’t end with full drafts of romance novels, but they’ll end with a lot. They have everybody by now has a schematic with every scene they’re going to write. They have descriptions of their main characters. They’re supporting characters. They have a lot of their scenes written, and now they’re working on love scenes, which is fun. That’s great.

So can they find out about this on your website?

It’s not up there yet. I will I will put it up there because as I said, I do want to offer this again in the fall. I’ll be offering this class.

So Stella’s website is StellaFosse” FOSSE” and you can sign up for her newsletter at page.StellaFosse/What’s-new?

And you don’t have to worry about that because as soon as you get in the website, you’ll start getting these annoying invitations to sign up for the blogs and the newsletter.

Yeah, so they’re fun to read too, so I would encourage you to do that. So just a couple more questions. This one’s a little bit more.

Yeah.

Okay. Realistic, let’s say.

All right.

All right. So you’re writing erotica, right? Sex at this stage of your life, our lives is not always easy, right? Women are not lubricating the way they used to. Men are not getting erections like they used to. And sometimes our knees hurt trying to get into position. So, I mean, you could make a comedy erotic story about that, but I’m wondering how you handle that in an erotic story.

That’s a really good question. So so there’s a woman named Joan Price who writes she writes a senior advice column for Senior Planet on Sexuality, and she’s written also some great books, including one called Naked at Our Age, which I highly recommend. And she reviews, by the way, she reviews sex toys from the standpoint of an older person and recommends vibrators and all kinds of sex toys. So she’s a wonderful resource. I really recommend her. And when I read so, so I like to think about this from the flip side, I like to think about if I’m looking at what she has to say about senior sexuality. Then what is it that works well for us at this stage and focus on that. So for example, in one of her books, she talks about that that men have passed a certain age do really well sexually if they’re standing because of the way blood flows. So so that inspired me to write a story in which a couple in their sixties at the end of the story, there’s a there’s a love scene where they’re leaning against a vibrating dishwasher while they’re they’ve been in the kitchen talking, and then they end up doing that. So so I think there are ways to incorporate the positives, the things that do work well into our writing. So and again, I really I really recommend Joan. I think she’s a great.

Great resource. Yeah, thanks. I’ll have to check that out. And you put up a quote from Anderson Cooper, which I thought was hysterical. His mother, Gloria Vanderbilt, was 85 when she said to him, I’m going to write an erotic novel. And he said, those were the seven most horrifying words he’d ever heard. I haven’t asked my kids how they would feel if I was to announce that. Maybe I will ask them. But how did your sons or daughters or how did your kids respond to this?

You know, I love it when I love that quote. And when I put that up on Facebook, I’m Facebook friends with Janet Herdy, who some of your readers may know as the author of The Ethical Slut, a book that came out quite a while ago about polyamory. And and so my comment was, oh, my poor babies. And then and then her answer was, oh, mine too. So but actually, the interesting thing is so that’s Stella Foster is a pen name. And the reason I chose a pen name is that I didn’t want to embarrass my adult children any more than necessary, but they’ve actually been pretty cool about it. In fact, one of my daughters, who’s a professional designer, designed the cover for Brilliant, Charming Bastard.

So, yeah.

I think that they I think that they they like the idea of empowering older women and that this is a way to do it. And after all, I have two sons and two daughters. My daughters are going to be older women at some point, too. So. So I think they get it surprisingly.

Have they read your books?

No. No, they.

Don’t. Not necessary.

No, no, no. That’s not for them.

So what’s next for you? What’s coming down the pike?

Well, I am in the middle of writing a book about creative Retirement with a friend of mine, Stevie Jane Parks, who is a psychotherapist and an abstract painter. So she took up abstract painting after her former career was winding down. So. So we’re we’re in the middle of doing that. We’re we’re writing about lots of different topics, everything from housing to sexuality to creativity and play to just everything you can think of movement. And so that’s great fun. And we’re collecting anecdotes to include in that book from a lot of older women who’ve who’ve taken on new adventures after 60. So that’s being fun. I also have decided that if I’m going to teach about romance, I’d better actually write a romance that actually is a romance. So, so in the in the in teaching this class, I’ve come up with an outline that I use as an example. And it’s a, it’s a, it’s a vampire romance. So. So that can.

Be pretty sexy, actually.

Fun. There’s already one out there. There’s a there’s a really good one out there called Forever 51.

Oh, I don’t know that.

It’s about a woman who becomes a vampire in the middle of Menopause. So she’s she’s permanently in the throes of Menopause. It’s very fun to read.

Oh, gosh. Now, you mentioned earlier that some some like if you really wanted to try and learn how to do this, you know, you certainly your book, Aphrodite’s Pen is one way, but you also talked about writing groups. So I know you had some great groups out in California. Now you’re in your new home in North Carolina. Are you finding other women that you can form a group with and write with?

I’m. I’m involved in. So in North Carolina, we have this wonderful organization called the North Carolina Writers Network, which is a statewide organization there. They’re like, you couldn’t throw a rock without hitting a writer in North Carolina. There’s so many. So I’m involved in the local chapter of that statewide organization. When I first got there, I walked in with a stack of Aphrodite’s pen, which had just come out at that point, and I think they were somewhat taken aback by that.

I bet they were. This California girl, what’s up with her?

But they’ve gotten used to me and I’m on the steering committee for that local organization now. So I think they’ve decided they can tolerate me, after all. But at this point, I would say a lot of. There’s so much opportunity online to work with other writers all over the country. For example, I really recommend anybody who’s interested in getting involved in writing to sign up with National Novel Writing Month, or NaNoWriMo, which is based in the San Francisco Bay Area. People all over the country are writing first novels through NaNoWriMo. And actually, I have there are lots of local subgroups through NaNoWriMo, and there also are topically related groups. So for example, I have one on there for erotica writers. There are lots of opportunities no matter where you live.

Yeah, the pandemic has changed things so much that doing things virtually is so much closer to the norm now than it was a couple of years ago.

So true. That’s so it’s really, really opened up a lot of opportunities for for folks our age to do many things that we wouldn’t have been able to do before.

So how does that work? Well, yeah, but say I’ve never written before. Right? I write a blog, but I’ve never written a book. I’ve fantasized about it. But yeah, you know, I would like to want to creep in and sit in the very back row and like, don’t ask me anything, let me just listen; harder to do on a virtual screen. But how does it work when you join a writing group?

Well, a couple of things. One is, you know, there are books you can get that will just help you launch into writing from starting from zero. And my favorite and this is not about erotica, but my favorite book to to introduce people to writing in general is called Writing Open the Mind. It’s by Andy Couturier, and it has all kinds of ideas and exercises for helping people look at writing as play and not judge themselves. And that’s really key when you’re when you’re writing a first draft, when you’re first getting involved in writing, to set aside your inner critic and be playful about your writing. So that’s how I approach writing, teaching, writing. That’s how I’m approaching the and me could write a bad romance because it doesn’t matter if your first draft is bad, it’s just play and it’s fine. So that’s, that’s one thing. But yeah, I think it’s important to find a safe. If you’re going to find a writing group, it’s important to find one that’s a safe space where people are going to give you feedback that encourages you to keep going and not not nitpick. And. And when I when I run a writing group, I ask folks to give. The following kind of feedback. Listen to what the person is reading you and then write down the phrases that really grab you that seem really significant to you. Write down what you like and give the person that feedback that will help them to keep going. You know, I think I think those things are really significant.

Yeah. Sometimes one or two phrases of compliments can take away some of that fear. So.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, this has been this has been really interesting. You know, I have I have read and watched more erotica this past week or so, getting ready for this show then probably ever. And it’s really been interesting, though, Stella. It has helped. It has opened my eyes and acceptance in a lot of ways and. Yeah, yeah.

Fun, yeah. You know, Maggie Kuhn, who founded the Gray Panthers had this motto, Learning and sex until rigor mortis.

Keep learning. Keep having sex.

That’s the best advice ever.

Well, before we went on, we talked about possibly you gifting a couple of downloads of your book, your newest book to some of our listeners. Do you want to tell people how you do it? And I will share your email address.

Sure, I’m happy to do that. So the first three folks who write to me at Stella@StellaFosse.com, be happy to send you an E-copy of Brilliant, Charming Bastard. So just, just get on there and write to me. The book will come from book club and it may go into your spam or junk folder. So if you don’t see the book in the next day or two, please check your spam and junk folders. Make sure that it’s not hiding there. And if that doesn’t work, write to me again and let me know and I’ll we’ll sort it out.

So, okay, so it’s the first three people. So you can’t wait. We have more than that. We have a bunch of people watching so it’s good. Yeah. It’s Stella@StellaFosse “Fosse” .com. So drop her a note right now.

Yeah.

Get started on. Brilliant, charming bastard.

Yeah. And I hope that lots of folks will sign up for the blogs and emails and also look look for the resources tab on the website. Because, again, we have lots of movies, shows and books that talk about the positives around your sexuality from a fictional standpoint. And also I have I have some of Joan Price’s books up there as Resources to.

Awesome. Thank you for what you’re doing, Stella.

Well, it’s fun. It’s a fun revolution. I like to.

It’s a fun revelation. So I always ask my guests for two or three takeaways. Okay, so what would you like to leave the audience with?

All right. The first is one of the things we’ve been talking about this whole time, and that is read books and watch movies that show the possibilities of this part of life. It’s easy to find the negative stuff, but if we’re going to reprogram ourselves and look at the bright side, it’s important to find those those books and movies and shows. And I’d say Caroline Arnold’s new memoir, 51st Dates After 50, would be a great place to start.

That sounds like fun.

The second thing is find ways to build creativity into your life. Whatever works for you, whether that’s cooking or painting or writing and and find people who enjoy the same thing you do so you can reinforce each other. Share, share information and resources and successes. And as I said earlier, National Novel Writing Month is a great free way to get involved if writing is a way that you want to be creative. The third thing is enjoy your body. Your body is a good gift. And you know, I took up weightlifting in my sixties. It’s marvelous. Talk about helping you feel powerful. Go swimming, buy a vibrator. I mean, look at Joan Price’s recommendations and and find something that works for you. And again, remember what Maggie KUHN said, learning and sex until rigor mortis. Great advice.

Thank you, Maggie KUHN.

Maggie, if you read her autobiography, she certainly took her own advice.

All right. So we’ve been I’ve been sharing Stella’s website information again. You can email her at Stella@StellaFosse.com So hopefully you get lots and lots of emails and questions and check out the resource page like she said.

Absolutely.

Join our walk to End Alzheimer’s. Yes. The link for that is act.alz.org/goto/HeyBoomer and join the team, contribute to try and end this awful disease. You know, it’s certainly our parents or us could be looking at that at some point. We don’t want to! Connect with me about the What’s Next Coaching program, the six week group Coaching program at HeyBoomer.biz/Coaching. I’d love to talk to you 20 minutes. 20 minutes. That could change your life and really give you some insights into what’s next for you. So check that out.

This guest has been amazing. Well, thank you. Yes. And thank you for having me. Thank you for joining us. It’s such an interesting conversation.

And I want to tell you about my guest for next week. Her name is Minette Norman and we’re calling the show Jumping Off into the Great Unknown. So both Minette and I have done this more than once, and we are going to share our stories and our experiences together. We talked about kind of interviewing each other, so that should be an interesting experiment. Minette’s LinkedIn Profile says she helps leaders cultivate inclusive teams. She’s a keynote speaker, a psychological safety certified practitioner and an upcoming author. And I thought, how cool is that? That she claimed it before her books out there. I am an upcoming author, so I thought that was pretty cool. And like Stella modeled for us today and like we all strive for “live with passion, live with relevance, and live with courage”. My name is Wendy Green, and this has been Hey, Boomer.